======================================================================= T h e F i d o N e w s Volume 28 Number 42 October 17th, 2011 ======================================================================= +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | A newsletter of the | Published by | | | The FidoNews BBS | | FidoNet BBS community | | | _ | | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | << Prism bbs | | (_| /_) | 1:261/38 | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ )) | Temp-Editor : | | |__U__| / \// | Janis Kracht 1:261/38 | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Table Of Contents Editorial.................................2 News Around the Web.......................3 Echomods Echo.............................4 Neat Things You can do with Linux.II......5 FileGate News.............................6 BBS SoftWare List.........................7 Information...............................8 Credits ..................................9 FIDONEWS Vol 28 No 42 Page 1 October 17 2011 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= E D I T O R I A L ================================================================= Editorial This issue continues the probably totally boring "Neat Things you can do with Linux" article, with part II. You'll see a chart at the end of the article that might make the linux world not such a strange one, should you decide to check linux out. If you are running linux and you haven't ventured under the hood of your Gnome, KDE or Unity window manager, you may find that the command line is not such a terrible place. Granted, sysops have always been the ones not shy about using computers, and command lines. Rather, they are the ones who write incredible batch files and such to automate just about everything on their system. That terminal command line, is a great place, IMO. Also this week two pretty famous people have died and I'm sure no one missed the news of Steve Jobs death. More quietly noted was the death of Dennis M. Ritchie, or dmr who was the primary designer of the C programming language, and co-developer of the Unix operating system. We still have our dogeared copy of "The C Programming Language", which was co-authered with Brian Kernighan. RIP. FIDONEWS Vol 28 No 42 Page 2 October 17 2011 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= News around Web ================================================================= Neat Sites around the Web RedHat pays tribute to Dennis M. Ritchie, the principal designer of the C programming language.. really neat page: http://tinyurl.com/64pyfkg So much that we can do today is because of this amazing pioneer. FIDONEWS Vol 28 No 42 Page 3 October 17 2011 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= A R T I C L E S ================================================================= Announcing the Echomods conference Richard Webb, 1:116/901 Do you moderate conferences on FIdonet and elsewhere? Are you interested in possibly starting a conference that may be of interest to others? IF the answer to either of these questions is yes you might want to link to the echomods echo. I formed this conference recently after an exchange of messages lamenting the loss of the moderator echo. The echo is intended to serve all moderators and wanna be moderators in building useful enjoyable echoes. Its rules are simple, and will be posted periodically for the benefit of newcomers. However, most of us who are regular denizens of Fidonet shouldn't find them bothersome as they're the customary rules governing Fidonet echomail conferences. By the time you read this major backbone distribution systems should have it configured so you can establish your link to the conference. Any FIdonet system is welcome to participate. FIDONEWS Vol 28 No 42 Page 4 October 17 2011 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Neat Things You Can Do with Linux By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38, janis@filegate.net Last time we dealt with some simple things like cd, ls and wc, and how to get back "home" with ~. This article discusses more about your home directory, and how to examine files without worrying about changing them (especially if you are new to the command line in Linux ). Later in this article I'll show you a chart I put together to make the swap from DOS etc. to Linux a bit easier. Did you try any of the ls switches on your own? You have a number of config files in your home directory and ls -a will show them to you. ls -a will show you files that start with a '.', and -l will show you the long version of the file list. bbs@filegate:~$ ls -al /home/bbbs/.b* -rw------- 1 bbs bbs 7257 2011-10-13 13:00 -/home/bbbs/.bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 bbs bbs 190 2010-10-09 02:44 -/home/bbbs/.bash_profile You can look at these files with the cat command - so cat .bash_profile will show you your settings in that file. bbs@filegate:~$ cat /home/bbbs/.bash_profile --------------------------------------------------------- # ~/.profile: executed by Bourne-compatible login shells. if [ "$BASH" ]; then if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc fi fi mesg n alias dir='ls -ltrh --color=auto' -------------------------------------------------------- That's a small file.. but if it were a larger one like .bash_history, then you can use the less command. Less loads a file faster than an editor will, and lets you page down the file with the f key (forward) and go backward with the b key.. There are tons more options for movement but right now you'll probably want to remember f to move forward and q to quit :) Type less --help to see more switches that allow moving, searching, jumping, and switching files... or keys to go to the top or bottom of the document (g gets you the top, shift-g goes to the bottom, for instance). More will also let you page through a document, a screen at a time - you can press the space bar to move through the document. More is limited in the ways it lets you go through the document though, so you'll probably find yourself using the less command. Here's a reference chart I wrote years ago to help organize my thoughts when I was first dealing with Linux. I sent this chart and more like it down the FileGate's LNX_USER file echo. If you're new to the command line in linux, this might help a bit. =========================================================== DOS Linux Description =========================================================== command.com sh Simplistic command interpreter n/a bash Advanced command interpreter n/a perl Interpreter for perl scripts n/a awk Interpreter for awk scripts n/a chsh Change shell Directory Management =========================================================== DOS Linux Description =========================================================== dir ls -l Long format directory dir /w ls Wide format directory cd cd Change directory rm rmdir Remove a directory md mkdir Make a directory deltree /Y rm -rf Recursively delete a directory tree n/a pwd Dispay the current working directory File Management =========================================================== DOS Linux Description =========================================================== copy cp Copy a file move mv Move a file touch touch Set the timestamp on a file del rm -f Delete a file type cat Print a file to the screen n/a chown Change ownership of a file n/a chgrp Change group ownership of a file attrib chmod Change access permissions of a file rawrite dd Write directly to a device subst? ln Create a link to a file Searching and Sorting =========================================================== DOS Linux Description =========================================================== find grep Search for a string in a text file dir /s find Search for a file n/a locate Search for a file via a database n/a updatedb Create searchable database of files sort sort Sort a file Disk Management =========================================================== DOS Linux Description =========================================================== fdisk fdisk Modify the partition table format mke2fs Create a filesystem on a partition format fdformat Format a floppy disk chkdsk e2fsck Test a filesystem for errors n/a swapon Turn on a swap partition n/a swapoff Turn off a swap partition n/a mount Attach a filesystem to the root filesystem n/a umount Detach a filesystem from the root filesystem chkdsk df View amount of disk space available dir/s du View amount of disk space used by a directory recursively Help =========================================================== DOS Linux Description =========================================================== help man Get help on a command n/a apropos Get help on a general topic n/a whatis Search the whatis database n/a makewhatis Make the whatis database n/a file Classify or determine a file type Editing and Printing =========================================================== DOS Linux Description =========================================================== edit pico Editor for novices n/a vi Editor for advanced users print lpr Print a file n/a sed Stream editor n/a joe Wordstar compatible editor n/a emacs Programming environment and editor edlin ed non-visual editor Backup, Compression, and Archival =========================================================== DOS Linux Description =========================================================== pkzip zip create a zip file. pkunzip unzip extract files from a zip file. n/a gzip Compress or decompress files via GNU zip. n/a tar Tape archiver n/a compress Lempel-Ziv compression program As with anything, read the man pages for these commands if you start experimenting. Next time: Searching for things with grep FIDONEWS Vol 28 No 42 Page 5 October 17 2011 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= FILEGATE NEWS ================================================================= This week, Frank Linhares added the following file areas: % FDN: MYSTIC FDN % Coordinator: Frank Linhares 1:250/501 % HUB: Yes % PATH: Direct % ---------------------------------------------------------------------- % File Echo Description % ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Area MYSTIC 0 ! MYS: MysticBBS for win32, OS/X, Linux Area MYS_MOD 0 ! MYS: Mystic x1.X Mods MPL sources, etc. Area MYS_UTL 0 ! MYS: Mystic v1.X Utilities (external programs) Area MYS_OTH 0 ! MYS: Mystic V1.X Other files for Mystic BBS % Thanks Frank! FIDONEWS Vol 28 No 42 Page 6 October 17 2011 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= F I D O N E T S O F T W A R E L I S T ================================================================= ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= BBS Software List Updated 04 October 2011 Maintained by Andrew Leary (1:320/119) Editors Emeritus: Robert Couture, Janis Kracht, Sean Dennis M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility #=Info F=TIC/SRIF Processor *=Software is available and may be registerable, but no longer supported or updated. @=Website is operating but is no longer updated. ?=Software's updating/support status is unknown. O=Software is open source. This list contains BBS-related software that is available for registration (not necessarily supported), open source software and actively developed/supported software by its author. Software listed may be available for DOS, Linux, OS/2 (eComStation), Windows (16 or 32 bit) and OSX. .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' ==> FRONT-END/INTERNET MAILERS Argus |MI*? |http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/argus/ | | v3.210 on Mar 29 2001 BinkleyTerm XE |MO* |http://btxe.sourceforge.net | | 2.60XE Beta-XH7 on Oct 22 2000 BinkD |MI? |http://2f.ru/binkd/ | | maloff@corbina.net | | v0.94 on Jul 24 2000 (Outdated) | |http://www.filegate.net/r50/aftnbinkd/ D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.net229.org/dbridge.htm 1:1/130 Nick Andre |I | v3.64 on June 4 2011 FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280 Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net | | v2.4 on Sep 26 2003 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MITPC|http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330 Definite Solutions |? | sales@defsol.se | | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sourceforge.net/ |O? | v1.9 RC2 on Apr 20 2010 Taurus |MI |http://www.fidotel.com/public/forums/ (based on Radius) |? | taurus/index.htm | | v5.0 Jun 12 2006 | | T-Mail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru (Russian only) |? | v2608 on Dec 12 2001 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> MAIL TOSSERS Crashmail II |TO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/ | | FastEcho |T |http://www.softeq.de/Products/FastEcho/ | | fastecho.html | | v1.46.1 on 13 Nov 2007 | | Registration keys are free and available | | by request from the author Fidogate |TUI? |http://www.fidogate.org | | v4.4.10 on Aug 27 2004 | | FMail |TO |http://fmail.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.60.GPL on Mar 8 2008 | | v1.64.0.17 (Beta) on Sep 27 2011 Squish |T* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/ | | v1.11R2 on Jan 1 2009 | | Source code available in the Maximus BBS | | archive: http://maximus.sourceforge.net +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> BBS SOFTWARE BBBS |BICTM|http://www.bbbs.net 2:22/222 | | b@bbbs.net | | v4.01 on January 28 2007 EleBBS |BO*? |http://www.elebbs.com | | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9 2002 Enthral BBS |B |http://enthralbbs.com 1:250/501 Linux/BSD/OSX | | v0.429/Alpha on 14 October 2010 | | Fidonet filebone SCENEENT Ezycom BBS |BT |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682 | | v2.15g2 on Nov 16 2009 GT Power |B |http://www.gtpowerbbs.com/ | | v19.00 Hermes II Project |BT |http://www.hermesbbs.com/ Macintosh-based | | malyn@strangegizmo.com | | v3.5.10b3 Maximus BBS |BO* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/ | | v3.03 | | Source code available at: | | http://maximus.sourceforge.net/ MBSE BBS |BIO? |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802 | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net | | v0.92.0 on Oct 16 2007 Meltdown BBS |UIO |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.0b on Apr 26 2004 Mystic BBS |BO* |http://www.mysticbbs.com | | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001 RemoteAccess BBS |B? |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120 | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | v2.62.2SW Renegade BBS |B |http://renegadebbs.info 1:129/305 | | v1.10/DOS on 3 Oct 2009 Spitfire BBS |B? |http://www.buffalocrk.com/ | | mdwoltz@buffalocrk.com | | v3.6 on Aug 20 1999 Synchronet BBS |BTIO |http://www.synchro.net 1:103/705 | | v3.16 on 31 Dec 2006 Telegard BBS |B* |http://www.telegard.net | | v3.09g2-sp4/mL on Dec 19 1999 WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com Xpress: Santronics | | Software, Inc. | | +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> TIC PROCESSORS/FILEFIX/SRIF Allfix |FIUT |http://www.allfix.com/ 1:140/12 Bob Seaborn | | v6.0.22 on 26 January 2011 NEF/pk |F |http://nefpk.8m.com/ | | v2.45b2 on 5 March 2000 TinyTIC |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/ | | 1:120/544 VIReq |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/ | | 1:120/544 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> BBS DOORS/UTILITIES Cheepware |DU |http://kd5col.info/cheepware.html Sean Dennis | | sdennis72@gmail.com 1:18/200 | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE DDS (Doorware |D@ |http://www.doorgames.org Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org Ruth Argust | | Jibben Software |D* |http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ | | bbs-door-games.cfm | | scott@jibben.com | | 1995-99 Release dates John Dailey Software |DU? |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com Shining Star |D* |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | | nannette@shiningstar.net | | Doors are still registerable via website Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com | | Tel: (404) 256-9518 T1ny's Software |DU |http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/tsoft/ Shawn Highfield | | shighfield@gmail.com 1:229/452 | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | | stanley@brainex.com | | 1994-99 Releases Trade Wars |D* |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ | | jpritch@eisonline.com | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002 Vagabond Software |DU* |http://http://vbsoft.dhakota.org | | d@dhakota.org | | Last update: Apr 11 2008 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> POINT SOFTWARE CrossPoint (XP) |P? |http://www.crosspoint.de (German only) | | pm@crosspoint.de | | v3.12d on Dec 22 1999 FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de (German only) | | support@freexp.de | | v3.42 on Jun 27 2010 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> SYSOP MAIL EDITORS GoldEd+ |EO*? |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.1.5 (Snapshot) on Apr 29 2010 | | NOTE: Unstable versions released often SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de 2:2476/493 | | v1.15 on Dec 15 1999 | | Website is in German and English +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> INTERNET UTILITIES JamNNTPd |UIO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/ | | 1:120/544 Internet Rex |UI? |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/ | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806 | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001 TransNet |UIO? |http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/ | | transnet/index.html | | transnet@ressl.com.ar | | v2.11 on Sep 13 2007 Ifmail |UIO |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net | | crosser@average.org MakeNL |UO |http://www.filegate.net/coordutl/ | | v3.2.9 on Feb 1 2010 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> INFORMATIONAL WEBSITES/BBS LISTS Telnet/Dialup BBS |# |http://www.telnetbbsguide.com 1:275/89 Guide | | Maintained by Dave Perrussel | | This is probably the most updated BBS | | list on the Internet for a general | | BBS list. Synchronet BBS List |# |http://www.synchro.net/sbbslist.html | | Maintained automatically | | This list is specifically for | | Synchronet-based BBS systems and is | | automatically updated nightly. The BBS Corner |# |http://www.bbscorner.com | | This website is more than just files, | | it's an encyclopedia of knowledge for | | BBS sysops and people who want to | | become sysops. This site is run by | | the same person who does the Telnet | | BBS Guide. +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ File Archives: http://archives.thebbs.org http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org (site is no longer maintained) http://www.simtel.net http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu (OS/2 specific) http://www.filegate.net/ (FTP access via port 60721) http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/ Note: Most also provide FTP access (use ftp instead of http above) The BBS Software List is published weekly in the FidoNews. 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"Disagreement is actually necessary, or we'd all have to get in fights or something to amuse ourselves and create the requisite chaos." -Tom Jennings FIDONEWS Vol 28 No 42 Page 9 October 17 2011 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Published with MakeNews2 by Janis Kracht