The F I D O N E W S Volume 30, Number 49 09 Dec 2013 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | | | | FidoNet community. | | Netmail attach to (POTS): | | | | | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-960447) | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Netmail attach to (BinkP): | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:203/0 | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | | | \_______\(_| /_) | Email attach to: | | _ @/_ \ _ | b @ felten dot se | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. EDITORIAL ................................................ 2 3. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 3 Why a vote cast is a vote cast ........................... 3 Ruling on the protests in the FTSC election .............. 17 4. FTSC INFORMATION ......................................... 20 2013 standing member election final result ............... 20 5. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 25 The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 25 6. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 26 FidoNet Software References .............................. 26 7. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 31 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 31 8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 33 How to Submit an Article ................................. 33 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 35 FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 1 9 Dec 2013 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed. -- Adolf Hitler ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 2 9 Dec 2013 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= Talk of the fido town the last month has been what really should be just a formality. The yearly FTSC election. Unfortunately a few people managed to change this formality into a political soap opera. This, of course, has caused a lot of extra work and time upon the election coordinator. Work and time that he could have spent on much more fruitful projects. I guess nobody will thank Michiel for all the time he's spent on Fidonet in general and the FTSC in particular, so here's one official gratitude from the Fidonews editor: Thank you Michiel for all that you are doing for our network, and may you never be discouraged by the trolls that over and over again try to throw wrenches into the machinery that you are spending so much time and effort into assisting. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 3 9 Dec 2013 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= Why a vote cast is a vote cast. By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555 In the 2010 FSTC election Bj”rn Felten requested that he be allowed to correct his already cast vote. The EC responded with "let me sleep on it". This is a summary of the storm of protest that followed. Read and judge for yourself... ==== begin ==== == 38937 ================================================ Date : 16 Nov 10 18:22:54 From : Ross Cassell 1:123/456 To : Michiel van der Vlist Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Hello Michiel! 16 Nov 10 22:36, you wrote to Bj”rn Felten: MV> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules MV> for changing a vote that is already cast. OTOH, the rules do MV> not forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only MV> if there are no serious objections from the constituency. MV> It will set a precedent either way. So let me sleep on it. I protest in the name of protocol.. If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of. I submit: Had the 2 no votes not been cast, Bjorn would not be pleading to change his, therefore his regret over his own vote, is a sad consequence. I neither cast and up or down vote for Alexey just to avoid being cast in some negative light, but held back such vote because he did come across as worrying more about nit picking others than anything else.. Since Sweden is the cradle of Democracy, I fail to see why Bjorn is scornful of others making a concious decision. Do not allow revotes, what you gonna do, allow others to change their votes if they dont like the direction the outcome is heading? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 4 9 Dec 2013 Now if you want, you can after the election, put in a rule or rule change, which I still would object to a revote, but you could change the format to allow a yes vote or a non-vote, then each candidate would have to score 50% or 50%+1 of all voters(*) counted. You of course would be making this suggestion to the full FTSC, where we would fight over it and not ever agree. (*) If 20 voters then 10 or 11 yes votes needed. However I could see someone pitching a fit over non-votes and wanting to change their vote, see what happens here.. Dont tilt at windmills Michiel, be strong, I am here for you! Of course you could make the balloting secret, only publishing the results after the election concluded, that would be a viable option. I can see you balking at this, but you could publicly acknowledge in here... "RC such and such voted" But dont publish the actual vote, until it is all tallied and too late. Felten, you know better than this. You must know ride down downtown Stockholm, nude on a moose with a Wolf on the loose. == Ross Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader: http://www.easternstar.info E-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Other Places: http://links.cassell.us We hoped and we got change! ... Liberals hold others to standards that they wont hold to themselves. -+- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20060121 + Origin: The Eastern Star - Spartanburg, SC USA (1:123/456) == 38943 ================================================ Date : 16 Nov 10 21:24:13 From : Ross Cassell 1:123/456 To : Michiel van der Vlist Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Hello Michiel! 17 Nov 10 01:40, you wrote to me: RC>> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. MV> Indeed, it is not in the rules. They do not explicitly allow MV> nor forbid it. So it can go either way. I think that when it comes to something like this, one should not fall back and say well the rules dont forbid it either. FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 5 9 Dec 2013 You leave room open for someone (a candidate) to protest the vote. You also leave room open for others (RC's and REC's) to also want to change their vote. As it is, with each vote you receive, you ack it then follow it with a tally of all votes counted thus far, including the one you just acked, now if you allow Bjorn to recast, you are going to have to allow others to recast, then you get a pissing match if others decide to recast ballots to counteract other recast votes.. Dont open the box Pandora! == Ross Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader: http://www.easternstar.info E-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Other Places: http://links.cassell.us We hoped and we got change! ... Taxes are the sexual aphrodesiac for every Democrat. -+- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20060121 + Origin: The Eastern Star - Spartanburg, SC USA (1:123/456) == 38944 ================================================ Date : 16 Nov 10 21:48:20 From : Janis Kracht 1:261/38 To : Ross Cassell Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Hi Ross, > I protest in the name of protocol.. > If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing > the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of. Thank you Ross for pointing this out. !! Note to Michiel: where do you draw the line if you allow this? I'm curious if you've thought it through. Take care, Janis -+- BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) == 38945 ================================================ Date : 16 Nov 10 21:51:58 From : Janis Kracht 1:261/38 To : Michiel van der Vlist Subject : Votes received. FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 6 9 Dec 2013 -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Hello Michiel, >>> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for >>> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not forbid >>> it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there are no >>> serious objections from the constituency. It will set a precedent >>> either way. So let me sleep on it. >> I protest in the name of protocol.. > Noted. And as someone with voting rights your opinion carries > weight. Of course it does, my friend.. but please do not forget who asked their RCs to put you in office! >> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Michiel, if you allow this, where do you draw the line as to WHEN people may change their vote?? And at WHAT point do you tell people when that point is? When you've seen that enough RCs and RECs have said to you, Ok, this is my final vote. For goodness sake, you sound like a game show host over here asking people, "Is that your final answer??" Seriously.. Take care, Janis -+- BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) == 38956 ================================================ Date : 16 Nov 10 23:12:12 From : Joe Delahaye 1:249/303 To : Ross Cassell Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Re: Votes received. By: Ross Cassell to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Nov 16 2010 18:22:5 > I protest in the name of protocol.. > > If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing > the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of. > I have to agree with that. Once a vote is cast, it is done. -+- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32 FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 7 9 Dec 2013 + Origin: The Lions Den BBS, Trenton, On, CDN (1:249/303) == 39014 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 00:04:00 From : Michael Luko 1:266/512 To : Michiel Van Der Vlist Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC -> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for -> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not forbid -> it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there are no -> serious objections from the constituency. It will set a precedent -> either way. So let me sleep on it. I could see allowing a resubmission based on a technicality or misunderstanding but not just based on how the voting is proceding. Unless you are in a vote for one amongst different candidates and the candidate in which the voter voted dropped out of the race. Then I could see allowing those who voted for the dropped candidate to resubmit a vote amongst the remaining candidates. I had a case last year where I wasn't very clear that on my regional feed back poll that each candidate was up for election. So I allowed those who only voted for one candidate to resubmit their ballot indicating a vote for each candidate unless of course they were actually abstaining on that candidate. If you allow changes based on the way someone doesn't like the way the results are going. You could run into the problem well so and so was able to change their vote because they didn't like the way things were going then I can do the same. We could have an never ending election process with everyone constantly changing ballots. -+- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 + Origin: Christian Fellowship | cfbbs.dtdns.net 856-933-7096 (1:266/512) == 39008 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 00:09:56 From : Jon Justvig 1:298/5 To : Ross Cassell Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC > Of course you could make the balloting secret, only publishing the > results after the election concluded, that would be a viable option. > I can see you balking at this, but you could publicly acknowledge in > here... "RC such and such voted" But dont publish the actual vote, > until it is all tallied and too late. I really agree with this. Seeing votes will also tell others to vote for this person and not this person. It done secretly and having the final vote seems like the fair way to me. Like pick a number out of a jar, if you win you win. FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 8 9 Dec 2013 Sincerely, Jon Justvig -+- BBBS/LiI v4.10 Dada-1 + Origin: Nightfall Ordain (1:298/5) (1:298/5) == 39015 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 00:17:00 From : Michael Luko 1:266/512 To : Ross Cassell Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC -> You also leave room open for others (RC's and REC's) to also want -> to change their vote. -> As it is, with each vote you receive, you ack it then follow it -> with a tally of all votes counted thus far, including the one you -> acked, now if you allow Bjorn to recast, you are going to have to -> just allow others to recast, then you get a pissing match if others -> decide to recast ballots to counteract other recast votes.. -> Dont open the box Pandora! Or opening a can of worms. :) The voting could go on forever and no where fast. -+- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 + Origin: Christian Fellowship | cfbbs.dtdns.net 856-933-7096 (1:266/512) == 39011 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 00:20:48 From : Jon Justvig 1:298/5 To : Joe Delahaye Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC > Re: Votes received. > By: Ross Cassell to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Nov 16 2010 18:22:5 >> I protest in the name of protocol.. >> >> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing >> the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of. >> > I have to agree with that. Once a vote is cast, it is done. Sounds like a few kids in kindergarden to me. Sincerely, Jon Justvig -+- BBBS/LiI v4.10 Dada-1 + Origin: Nightfall Ordain (1:298/5) (1:298/5) FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 9 9 Dec 2013 == 38939 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 01:40:37 From : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 To : Ross Cassell Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Hello Ross, On Tuesday November 16 2010 18:22, you wrote to me: MV>> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for MV>> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not MV>> forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there MV>> are no serious objections from the constituency. It will set a MV>> precedent either way. So let me sleep on it. RC> I protest in the name of protocol.. Noted. And as someone with voting rights your opinion carries weight. RC> If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Indeed, it is not in the rules. They do not explicitly allow nor forbid it. So it can go either way. RC> Changing the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of. There is a difference between changing the rules and changing a vote. Changing the rules while the game is afoot is unheard of. Changing a vote is not. Not in this part of the world anyway. Changing a once cast vote is only problematic when votes are anonymous, as in that case it is not possible to know what the originally cast vote was that is to be retracted. In open elections this problem does not exist, so I see no basic problem. As a matter of fact, my RC - responding to my recomendation to consult the region - is now collecting votes from the sysops in the region over this very election. One sysop casted a vote that he retracted next day and cast a new one. My RC accepted. So it is not unheard of. RC> I submit: RC> Had the 2 no votes not been cast, Bjorn would not be pleading to RC> change his, therefore his regret over his own vote, is a sad RC> consequence. Possibly. It is however not for the vote collector or anyone else to question the motives of the voter. The same applies to a voter who requests a change of vote. When we deny it to one, we must deny it to all. When we allow it for one, we must allow it for all. Irrespective of the voter's motives. Let's sleep on it. Cheers, Michiel FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 10 9 Dec 2013 -+- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20070503 + Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555) == 39083 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 09:22:28 From : Jon Justvig 1:298/5 To : Bj”rn Felten Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC >> I really agree with this. Seeing votes will also tell others to >> vote for this person and not this person. > I totally agree. I was thinking wrongly. In the Swedish governmental > elections you can vote as many times you like, the votes are given a > time stam and the latest vote counts. But that's a closed election, > in an open election like this, of course you should not be allowed > to change your vote once it's being passed. > Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I stand corrected. Please forget my > suggestion > ASAP! Forgiven. Just this time and this time only (sales pitch). Sincerely, Jon Justvig -+- BBBS/LiI v4.10 Dada-1 + Origin: Nightfall Ordain -- stepping.synchro.net:8080 (1:298/5) == 39084 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 09:27:34 From : Jon Justvig 1:298/5 To : Michiel Van Der Vlist Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC > Hello Janis, > On Tuesday November 16 2010 21:48, you wrote to Ross Cassell: >> !! Note to Michiel: where do you draw the line if you allow this? >> I'm curious if you've thought it through. > I said I was going to sleep on it didn't I? Whan I wrote that, I > already realised that without drawing lines things could get messy > if recasting votes were allowed. You said that but you must have a had a short nap. > In the meantime I have slept on it. Bright and fitten like a kitten wearing mittens. FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 11 9 Dec 2013 > However... the request for a recast is withdrawn, so we can drop the > issue. Thank goodness. I wonder too if this was thought all the way through. None-the-less it is resolved and we can go on with our merry lives. Sincerely, Jon Justvig -+- BBBS/LiI v4.10 Dada-1 + Origin: Nightfall Ordain -- stepping.synchro.net:8080 (1:298/5) == 39104 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 10:55:00 From : Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 To : Ross Cassell Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC For what it's worth, I fully agree. Once a vote is posted, and acknowledged, it MUST stand as posted. No second thoughts, no changing! > Hello Michiel! > > 16 Nov 10 22:36, you wrote to Bj-rn Felten: > >MV> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for >MV> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not >MV> forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there >NV> are no serious objectionsfrom the constituency. It will set a >MV> precedent either way. So let me sleep on it. > > I protest in the name of protocol.. > > If it is not in the rules, then it is not in the rules.. Changing > the rules with a vote in progress is unheard of. > > I submit: > > Had the 2 no votes not been cast, Bjorn would not be pleading to > change his, therefore his regret over his own vote, is a sad > consequence. > > I neither cast and up or down vote for Alexey just to avoid being > cast in some negative light, but held back such vote because he did > come across as worrying more about nit picking others than anything > else.. > > Since Sweden is the cradle of Democracy, I fail to see why Bjorn is > scornful of others making a concious decision. > > Do not allow revotes, what you gonna do, allow others to change > their votes if they dont like the direction the outcome is heading? > FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 12 9 Dec 2013 > NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Now if you want, you can after the election, put in a rule or rule > change, which I still would object to a revote, but you could > change the format to allow a yes vote or a non-vote, then each > candidate would have to score 50% or 50%+1 of all voters(*) > counted. You of course would be making this suggestion to the full > FTSC, where we would fight over it and not ever agree. > > (*) If 20 voters then 10 or 11 yes votes needed. > > However I could see someone pitching a fit over non-votes and > wanting to change their vote, see what happens here.. > > Dont tilt at windmills Michiel, be strong, I am here for you! > > Of course you could make the balloting secret, only publishing > the results after the election concluded, that would be a viable > option. > > I can see you balking at this, but you could publicly acknowledge > in here... "RC such and such voted" But dont publish the actual > vote, until it is all tallied and too late. > > Felten, you know better than this. You must know ride down > downtown Stockholm, nude on a moose with a Wolf on the loose. > > == > Ross > Fidonet Feeds Or Fidonet In Your Newsreader: > http://www.easternstar.infoE-mail: ross(at)cassell(dot)us | Other > Places: http://links.cassell.us > > We hoped and we got change! > > ... Liberals hold others to standards that they wont hold to > themselves.--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20060121 > * Origin: The Eastern Star - Spartanburg, SC USA (1:123/456) -+- GEcho/32 & IM 2.50 + Origin: RC17 (email to rc17@fidonet.ca) (1:140/12) == 39035 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 11:08:56 From : Bj”rn Felten 2:203/2 To : Jon Justvig Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC JJ> I really agree with this. Seeing votes will also tell others to JJ> vote for this person and not this person. I totally agree. I was thinking wrongly. In the Swedish governmental elections you can vote as many times you like, the votes are given a time stamp and the latest vote counts. But that's a closed election, FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 13 9 Dec 2013 in an open election like this, of course you should not be allowed to change your vote once it's being passed. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I stand corrected. Please forget my suggestion ASAP! -+- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 + Origin: news://felten.yi.org (2:203/2) == 39062 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 12:52:06 From : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 To : Janis Kracht Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Hello Janis, On Tuesday November 16 2010 21:48, you wrote to Ross Cassell: JK> !! Note to Michiel: where do you draw the line if you allow JK> this? I'm curious if you've thought it through. I said I was going to sleep on it didn't I? When I wrote that, I already realised that without drawing lines things could get messy if recasting votes were allowed. In the meantime I have slept on it. However... the request for a recast is withdrawn, so we can drop the issue. Cheers, Michiel -+- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20070503 + Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555) == 39110 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 13:49:30 From : Janis Kracht 1:261/38 To : Michiel van der Vlist Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Hi Michiel, >> !! Note to Michiel: where do you draw the line if you allow this? >> I'm curious if you've thought it through. > I said I was going to sleep on it didn't I? Yes, you did.. Why you felt you had to say such a thing says a lot to me. FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 14 9 Dec 2013 > However... the request for a recast is withdrawn, so we can drop > the issue. Take care, Janis -+- BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag + Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38) == 39085 ================================================ Date : 17 Nov 10 16:50:14 From : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 To : Ross Cassell Subject : Voting rules -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC Hello Ross, On Tuesday November 16 2010 18:22, you wrote to me: RC> Now if you want, you can after the election, put in a rule or RC> rule change, The rules are laid down in FTA-1000. I do not have the mandate to change that all by my self. RC> course would be making this suggestion to the full FTSC, where RC> we would fight over it and not ever agree. That's FidoNet for you. We can never reach consesnsus, so trying to change the election rules wpould probably be the umpteenth exercise in futility. RC> Of course you could make the balloting secret, only publishing RC> the results after the election concluded, that would be a viable RC> option. A secret ballot is fine if all the voters are in the same room, write their vote on a voting slip, which are then thrown in a hat and counted. If they are not physically in the same room with the vote collector(s) there is nothing that stops the vote collector from manipulating the votes. It has happened. Even in R28. Cheers, Michiel -+- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20070503 + Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555) == 39264 ================================================ Date : 18 Nov 10 16:46:26 From : Roger Nelson 1:3828/7 To : Michiel van der Vlist Subject : Votes received. FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 15 9 Dec 2013 -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC On Tue 2010-Nov-16 22:36, Michiel van der Vlist (2:2/20) wrote to Bj”rn Felten: MvdV> Hello Bj”rn, MvdV> On Tuesday November 16 2010 14:23, you wrote to me: BF> Dear Mr. Voting Admin, I only voted for the two persons that BF> I know from way back, but please accept my alternate vote: MvdV> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules MvdV> for changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not MvdV> forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there MvdV> are no serious objections from the constituency. It will set a MvdV> precedent either way. So let me sleep on it. I wouldn't. Once a vote is cast, it is done. If you allow this you will be opening Pandora's Box. Regards, Roger -+- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ + Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LA - (1:3828/7) == 39267 ================================================ Date : 18 Nov 10 21:04:09 From : mark lewis 1:3634/12 To : Michiel van der Vlist Subject : Votes received. -------------------------------------------------------- AREA:FTSC_PUBLIC BF> Dear Mr. Voting Admin, I only voted for the two persons that BF> I know from way back, but please accept my alternate vote: MvdV> Hmmm... I don't know. There is no provision in the rules for MvdV> changing a vote thais already cast. OTOH, the rules do not MvdV> forbid it either. I lean towards allowing it, but only if there MvdV> are no serious objections from the constituency. It will set a MvdV> precedent either way. So let me sleep on it. RN> I wouldn't. Once a vote is cast, it is done. If you allow this RN> you will be opening Pandora's Box. i have to agree... it has never been done before and it is not allowed in any other voting procedures that i'm aware of... if there is a procedure for a revote, then that would possibly come into play depending on the circumstances... one might also take a look at history and look at the negative votes i got for my actions during the campanging portion of the last election process ;) FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 16 9 Dec 2013 )\/(ark + Origin: (1:3634/12) ==== end ==== With thanks to Kees van Eeten for opening his archive. ¸ Michiel van der Vlist, all rights reserved. Permission to publish in the FIDONEWS file echo, the FIDONEWS dis- cussion echo and the FNEWS_PUBLISH echo as originating from 2:2/2. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 17 9 Dec 2013 Ruling on the protests in the FTSC electeion By Michiel van der Vlist, Election coordinator 2:2/20 A protest was filed by three parties. One by RC17, Bob Seaborn and one by ZC1, Janis Kracht and one by Ross Cassel RC18. An attempt at mediation by Scott Little has failed for lack of respons from RC14 and RC17. Regarding the protest filed by Bob Seaborn, RC17: BS> Is it my fault that that MY keyboard and video doees not BS> support non-english characters? 1) The sysop is responsible for what his system injects into the network. So if this presumed non-support of those characters results in errors, then yes, the sysop is responsible. 2) Although it is not in the ASCII character set, characters with a diaresis /are/ part of the English characters set, notably in some English names: Emily Bront‰, No‰l Coward and the constellation of Bo”tes. The fact that the diaresis is usually omitted in US English does not change the fact that the o with diaresis IS part of the character set used in English. BS> Furthermore, after thinking about it, I do note that the rules of BS> this echo, as posted by yourself dated 19 November 2013 states BS> that the language of the echo is English: 3) The fact that the language for discussion is English, does not exclude the use of names that are not English. If it were, names as Delahaye (French) and Dossche (Dutch) would also have to be banned. 4) The use of non ASCII characters in messages is a Fidonet standard laid down in FTS-5003. While it is understandable that sysops who have no use for other languages than US English have not installed translation tables for non-ASCII character sets, this can never be used as an excuse for a mangled vote. 5) The claim that the name of the candidate on the form was changed to "Bjerk" by the software and the software alone, has no credi- bility. The vertical lines were all in place. This was deliberate. Regarding the protest by Ross Cassel RC18: His own vote was processed without problems and to his staisfaction he has little reason to complain. He has however provided some input on the votes of the two RCs that cast a vote for "Bjerk" and so have some others. Regarding the use of names of candidates not exactly as they are in FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 18 9 Dec 2013 the nodelist: 1) It is common practise that sysops do not always use the exact name as nodelisted in their messages. Some use short forms like "Bob" for "Robert", some use "middle names". Like Robert "Jame" Clay. 2) It has been custom to list the candidates with the names they present in their own messages or the name as posted by the nomi- nator. The name may or may not be exactly the same as that in the nodelist. The sysop listed as RJ Clay has been on the list of candidates as Robert "Jame" Clay since 2011. No one ever made an issue out of that. Regarding identifying the candidate by the node number: 1) We vote for people, not numbers. The node number is just there so that everyone can quickly check if the candidate fulfills the requirement of being the sysop of a nodelisted system. It may also help when there are two candidates with the same or a similar name. "The intentions of the voter were clear": 1) Yes, there is little doubt that Bob Seaborn intended to cast a "no" vote for Bj”rn Felten. But when we start going by intentions, there is also little doubt that he intended to do more than that. He intended to add an insult. This was not just a typo, or replacing a non ASCII character with something the software could handle like "oe" or "o". This was a deliberate name change with the intent to insult. Such actions should have consequences. "The rules are not clear" 1) The instructions for the voters were clear enough: Take the form and put crosses in the "yes" or "no" spots. It did not say "and change the names of the candidates to an insult you see fit". It is common practise in most countries that changing anything othe than putting marks at the indicated spots, invalidates the vote. In my own country it invalidates the vote entirely and there is no second chance. Had I followed this local custom, I would have dis- missed BS's vote for all the candidates, not just the vote for "Bjerk". So the "why should he risk that the vote for his own nominee was dismissed?" has to be answered with: I do not know, but he certainly /did/ take that risk. When I was a school boy, it sometimes happened that one of us pulled a prank. Itching powder on the teacher's seat, a stink bomb that went off in chemistry class. That sort of thing. And then when caught, we accepted the consequences. We took the punishment and at the end of the day, we counted our marbles and moved on. We didn't fight it out to the supreme court! There is no candidate named "Bjerk", therefore votes for "Bjerk" are dismissed as invalid. FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 19 9 Dec 2013 Regarding recasting votes: I refer to what happened in the 2010 election when I had the evil thought of considering it when Bj”rn Felten asked for a recast of his vote. Let me take just this one from the many reactions: BS> For what it's worth, I fully agree. Once a vote is posted, and BS> acknowledged, it MUST stand as posted. No second thoughts, no BS> changing! All the arguments against allowing a recast that were forwarded in 2010 still apply. Where do we draw the line? Do not open this box of Pandorra! Some have argued that there is a difference between correcting an error and changing the vote. It is however just putting another label on what is the same thing: an atempt to influence the outcome after one has cast one's vote. Regarding the protest filed by Janis Kracht, ZC1: Janis Kracht is not a candidate or a voter. As such she is not directly involved in the election. Also, ZCs have no special standing in this. There is nothing in either the election rules or P4 that says they may act, speak or protest on behalf of an RC. Also no request was received from Jon Justvig to the effect that Janis Kracht be allowed to act as his proxy in this election. Therefore the protest filed by Janis Kracht is dismissed. From the multiple votes cast by Jon Justvig only the first is accepted for the same reason that only the first vote of Bob Seaborn was accepted. So here is my ruling: The election result stands as published earlier. This ruling is final. There is no appeal. Michiel van der Vlist FTSC Election Coordinator. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 20 9 Dec 2013 ================================================================= FTSC INFORMATION ================================================================= 2103 standing member election, final result By Michiel van der Vlist, election coordinator 2:2/20 All times in UTC. Voting for FTSC membership has come to end. There were protests regarding the votes cast by RC14 and RC17. This has not altered the previously published preliminary result. The result published below is the final result. Eighteen RC's from three zones have voted. Bob Seaborn RC17 Torsten Bamberg RC24 Bj”rn Felten RC20 Joe Delahaye RC12 Andrew Leary RC16 Phil Kimble RC15 Ruedi Kneubuehler RC30 Jon Justvig RC14 Rj Clay RC11 Torbj”rn Mohn RC21 Marc Lewis RC19 Vladimir Donskoy RC50 Kurt Weiske RC10 Michael Luko RC13 Tommi Koivula RC22 Ross Cassel RC18 Paul Quinn RC54 Michiel van der Vlist RC28 There were eight candidates and the votes are as follows: ---------------------------------------------- | Name | Node nr | Yes| No | |----------------------|-------------|----|----| | Robert "Jame" Clay | 1:120/544 | 18 | | | Dallas Hinton | 1:153/715 | 14 | 2 | | Mark Hofmann | 1:261/1304 | 15 | 1 | | Bj”rn Felten | 2:203/2 | 7 | 5 | | Markus Reschke | 2:240/1661 | 13 | 1 | | Michiel van der Vlist| 2:280/5555 | 11 | 7 | | Dimitry Romanov | 2:6078/1 | 13 | 1 | | andrew clarke | 3:633/267 | 18 | | ---------------------------------------------- All candidates collected more "yes" than "no" votes and therefore all are accepted into the FTSC. Their 2 year term starts on Monday FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 21 9 Dec 2013 9 december 2013 00:00 and ends two years later. Michiel van der Vlist FTSC Election Coordinator 2:2/20 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 22 9 Dec 2013 ********************************************************************** FTSC FIDONET TECHNICAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE ********************************************************************** Publication: FTA-1003 Revision: 19 Title: FTSC Membership List Author: Administrator Issue Date: 9 December 2013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents: 1. FTSC Administrator 2. FTSC Standing Members ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. FTSC Administrator --------------------- Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555. Term ends 12 October 2015 2. FTSC Standing Members ------------------------ Name Node Term ends -------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Clarke 3:633/267 9 Dec 2015 Robert "Jame" Clay 1:120/544 9 Dec 2015 Stas Degteff 2:5080/102 16 Dec 2014 Bj”rn Felten 2:203/2 9 Dec 2015 Dallas Hinton 1:153/715 9 Dec 2015 Mark Hofmann 1:261/1304 9 Dec 2015 Andrew Leary 1:320/119 16 Dec 2014 mark lewis 1:3634/12 16 Dec 2014 Markus Reschke 2:240/1661 9 Dec 2015 Fred Riccio 1:132/174 16 Dec 2014 Carol Shenkenberger 1:275/100 16 Dec 2014 Alexey Vissarionov 2:5020/545 16 Dec 2014 Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 9 Dec 2015 A. History ---------- Rev.1, 1997-10-05 * First non-draft release. Rev.2, 1997-12-04 * Reformatted document slightly. Working group Y2K added. * Working group members added. Rev.3, 1997-12-29 * Year 2000 working group renamed from Y2K to Y. * Leaders added for groups C and Y. Rev.4, 1998-01-17 FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 23 9 Dec 2013 * Group E added. * Leaders added for groups A, B, D and E. Updated member list for group C. Rev.5, 1999-01-09 * Lists updated to reflect election results and resignations. Rev.6, 2000-01-02 * Lists updated for resignations. Rev.7, 2003-03-31 * Reformatted slightly. * Updated header fields. * Lists updated to reflect election results. * Removed Working Groups Rev.8, 2005-07-13 * Lists updated to reflect election results and resignations. Rev.9, 2006-03-10 * Lists updated to reflect election results. Rev 10. 2007-03-17 * Lists updated to reflect election results and resignations. Rev 11. 2007-10-18 * Lists updated to reflect administrator election results. Rev 12. 2008-04-13 * Lists updated to reflect election results. Rev 13. 2009-11-18 * Lists updated to reflect election results and resignation * of Scott Little after accepting ZC3 hat. Rev 14. 2010-12-08 * Lists updated to reflect election results. Rev 15, 2011-08-30 * List updated to reflect resignation of Sean Dennis Rev 16, 2011-12-20 * List updated to reflect new term of administrator and 2011 standing member election results. Rev 17, 2012-01-22 * List updated to reflect node number change of R.J. Clay. Rev 18, 2012-12-17 * List updated to reflect election results. Rev 19, 2013-12-9 * List updated to reflect election results and resignations ********************************************************************** FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 24 9 Dec 2013 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 25 9 Dec 2013 ================================================================= JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST ================================================================= The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project This is a list of known JamNNTPd servers working. They are essentially the modern version of Bulletin Board Systems. You connect to them using the email client of your choice and you don't need any other software installed on your computer -- regardless of operating system -- but that favourite mail client of yours. Even smart phones can handle this, giving you the opportunity to get your daily doses of fidonet on the bus, tram or train on the way to your job, school or whatever. Updated 2012-03-11 URL news://felten.yi.org Join http://felten.yi.org/join.html NETMAIL Yes, 2:203/2 URL news://the-estar.com:1119 Join http://www.easternstar.info NETMAIL Yes, 1:123/789 URL news://quinnspost.dyndns.org:60119 Join mailto:eskimo261@bigfoot.com Join Info in group +GETACCESS+ NETMAIL Yes, 3:640/384 URL news://nntp.rbb.bbs.fi Join Info in group +GETACCESS+ NETMAIL Yes, 2:221/361 URL news://news.wpusa.dynip.com Join Info in group +GETACCESS+ NETMAIL Yes, 1:3634/12 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 30-49 Page 26 9 Dec 2013 ================================================================= FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= -=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=- Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84 | | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889 | | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001 BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102 | | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998 BinkD |MI |http://binkd.grumbler.org/ 2:463/69 | | v0.9.10 on Oct 2nd 2008 D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.net229.org/dbridge.htm 1:1/130 Nick Andre |I | v3.95 on October 13 2013 FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280 Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net | | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330 Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101 | | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/ | | v1.4 RC5 on Apr 24th 2006 Mystic BBS |MTBCE|http://www.mysticbbs.com |I | v1.10 A31 on Apr 13th 2013 Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38 (based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463 | | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005 Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70 | |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English) (based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru | | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004 Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608 | | Website is in Russian only WildCat! 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